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Cantra | | More Hints and Tips Pt2 | 15.06.2013, 22:39:54
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Second part of my post, more maps.
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Cantra | | More Hints and Tips Pt1 | 15.06.2013, 22:39:08
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I've created some more maps with a few notable spots pointed out. Solved some of my own mysteries too, namely the Ice Flower and Piece of Ice are ingredients for Cone of Cold. The stone vase and the cave's lava are the key to open the final exit to escape the castle.
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DJ | | Postup vykopavok - autori | 15.06.2013, 10:48:56
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Velmi pozitivna sprava! Podarilo sa mi skontaktovat s vyvojarmi hry Vzbura Donskych Rytierov, menovite s programatorom Marekom Cimmermannom, na hru si samozrejme spomina, dokonca prislubil poskytnutie povodnej slovenskej verzie, pomocnu ruku pri prechadzani hry a suhlasil aj s malym interview o hostorii vzniku, takze v najblizsich dnoch sa mame na co tesit.
Ak mate tipy na nejake zaujimave otázky, ktore by som mu mal predlozit, nevahajte a napiste to do temy Interview: Rozhovory s osobnosťami. |
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DJ | | Postup vykopavok - originalka | 15.06.2013, 10:38:08
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Ako ste si uz vsimli, kontaktoval ma Cantra, zatial prvy clovek ktory v minulosti hru presiel a bude nam prispievat cennymi radami. Rovnako skvele je aj to, ze ma fyzicky povodnu anglicku originalku (okrem krabice), CD a manual. ISO CD mi uz poslal, tak ho neskor pri karte hry vystavim. Samozrejme obsahuje aj ochranu pred kopirovanim (obrazky stitov)...
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Cantra | | Hints | 14.06.2013, 23:36:32
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![]() After hours of trial and error I've come to one conclusion about the combat, that it's critically flawed and impossible, with the equipment from the starting chest. Seriously, I've no idea what they were aiming for. The crossbow will do for a while but some guards are immune to it so beware.
Combat - you've got block, attack and feint (the manual calls it 'cheat/false hit'). It suggests feinting and then attacking immediayely but it only works if the opponent tries to block. If the opponent attacks when you feint, you get hit, getting hit lowers strength and makes the battle harder. The only real success I had was to use the crossbow until I could afford Knight Trousers and Steel Armour from the Smith, a Magic Sword too. There is a Knight Shield in the Crypt if you don't want to buy one. When you've got a high armour, you can wait until the opponent swings a weapon, and swing yours a moment later. You won't clash weapons uselessly (parry), you'll injure the opponent. If the opponent is too strong, you'll flinch and be wounded, but it works against 95% of enemies. You should buy the Armet, but the best helmet has to be found, the Knight Helmet. It's an essential item actually, both since it opens a secret wall, and the 4 (!) point armour difference makes it so you only need to wound the strongest enemies once, then they can't make you flinch, you can slay them easily with the delayed hit, mentioned above. Strength - Strength is not something you train, it's a measure of whether you can strike with your full power. So if you get injured, your strength goes down, meaning you can't deal as much damage when you hit back. It goes for the enemies too. What I did to defeat the strongest enemies was to have the best gear, save and reload and use the feint/attack trick to hopefully cause a wound (took some luck) and then use the delayed hit move to defeat them. Anyhow. Please see the attachment, I've placed my guy in the crossbow's room, it is on level 1.You must douse the candles on the wall with some water, and turn it, you'll open the wall up and the crossbow is inside. Have fun with it! There's a few guards between there and the starting area, remember they can't open doors so you can shut yourself inside until you've got the bow ready. Wes P, The only bookcase you need to bother with is a specific one on level 2, you do need to be looking at those index pages, you should see something unique on one of them. |
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DJ | | Hints | 14.06.2013, 23:07:05
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![]() I'm glad to see you here Cantra, thanks for your detailed hints and maps.
But we have a REALLY big trouble with fighting enemy. Have you any tips how to beat the enemies in close-up battles? Or where we can find the crossbow? I'm not able to defeat anyone in dungeon in close-up battle ;-( |
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Cantra | | Hints | 14.06.2013, 22:13:09
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Hello, firstly my apologies, I only speak English. I love this game and am overjoyed to see people playing it! I want to share everything I know.
You have two known objectives, - Find the five traitor names - Find the two stolen documents and one third, hidden objective - Discover Raymond's alliance with a rival king and report this to an ally. If you do this properly, then in the ending, a surprise attack from the north will be thwarted and you will gain total victory. I haven't seen what happens if you get the names and the documents but fail to do this last task. You will find a CELL KEY in the dungeon, which will unlock one of the cell doors (the one that can't be opened by the BUNCH OF KEYS). Inside is a prisoner who will tell you the name SIR RIVEN. The CELL KEY also opens a door to a torture chamber. You need two PLANKS to explore the caves. Eventually you will find a clump of white rock, right click on it with any weapon to collect DUST. Use any drinking vessel (BOWL, MUG) on a source of water to fill it. Use the DUST on it, to create ELIXIR OF LIFE. Use this on the chained skeletons in the torture chamber above, and one will give you the name SIR WELLS. Also in the caves, find a wooden coffin. Right click a weapon on the nearby stalagtite to make it smash into the ground. Inside the hole is a WOODEN BOX, inside the box is ORB OF VISION. Put the orb in your shield hand and living creatures will show up on the map. The location of the above skeleton will be shown if you use it. You will find a BLACK BOX as you explore, and close by is a SCROLL which implicates SIR ALMER. The box requires two keys, for two different secrets. The BLACK BOX KEY will give you a SCROLL, which will reveal the name SIR ALWIL. When you find the BOOK, you can place it on the ground and right click on it. Inside is a DESK KEY which will give you access to many keys and some quest items. To complete the final objective is more complicated. You will have to find a BIBLE. Take the BIBLE to the bishop on floor 2. Right click it on him, and he will give you DIAMOND CROSS. Take the cross to the altar and use the cross on it. You will receive ROYAL CROWN and GOLDEN APPLE. Take these to the crypt, and make sure you bring the SCARF. Wear the SCARF and find the two stone coffins in the largest room. One can be opened, and green gas will come out, it makes you sleep if you do not have the SCARF. Place the ROYAL CROWN and GOLDEN APPLE inside to receive the MAGIC RING. Use the ring on the BLACK BOX to unlock the other secret SCOLL, which tells of an alliance between Raymond and another king. Take the SCROLL to the messenger on Level 3. He will say he will deliver it, but the roads are blocked. Lastly give him the ROYAL RING that you started the game with, to let him pass the guards. Hints, - Fill mugs and bowls with water, and use the water on the candlesticks to snuff them out. Many unlit candlesticks can then be turned, they are hidden switches. - There are piles of hay in both Courtyard maps. Use a BURNING TORCH on them to burn them, as one of level 1's DOOR KEYs is hidden there. - Blue vase scenery items can be smashed by using a weapon on them, but only the one hidden behind the throne on Level 1 (click on the throne) contains anything. - Some chests and desks are turned facing away so you can't access them. Don't worry about these. - Always keep track of your KEYS. Do not discard CHEST KEYS when used, as they often open other chests. Especially, do not discard the CUPBOARD KEY or the DESK KEY. - You'll find BOMBS. They're great for killing those standing guards, you can sometimes get two at a time. You can kill Mr Smith with them too. Please don't hurt Mr Smith! - The key to access the alchemist's room is the GOLDEN AMULET found hidden on the hay in one of the dungeon cells. But you must have the GOLDEN SHIELD or you can't defeat him. You must block his attack at the right moment, it will disintegrate him. Lastly. I do not know the following, so here's your chance to help me. - I found the BIBLE on a previous playthrough, but never found it this last time, I forgot where it is. - I do not know how to get the BLACK BOX KEY legitimately. - I do not know how to find the SCROLL implicating SIR MELEN legitmately. - I do not know what to do with the scribe on Level 3. I can talk to him by wearing the PEER COSTUME, but can't do anything with him. NOTE - if you cheat to get the BLACK BOX KEY and read the scroll revealing SIR MELEN's name, it causes the scribe to be dead when you next visit level 3. So he's related somehow, I just need to work out what to give him. - On Level 2 is a scroll with times on, and a series of peep-holes in the walls. I can't work out what to do here. I killed the non-communicative NPCs on this level, maybe I should not have done that. - I cannot get past the switch puzzle close to the starting room of the dungeon, nor the chain puzzle in the crypt. However I've cheated my way inside and there is nothing vital inside. - I cannot work out the function of the following items - ICE FLOWER (alchemy, maybe), PIECE OF ICE (also might be alchemy), STONE VASE, SACK, VASE. - I cannot work out the relevance of the bubbling pool of lava in the caves. - Lastly also in the caves, I can't get past the Hidden Exit blocker, I had to hack move past it. I don't know how to remove it properly. I've posted some maps, I'll get the rest screencapped in time. |
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Wes P | | Knihovna | 14.06.2013, 21:44:32
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Ani netuším, jestli tento popisek má nějaký význam a nebo je to obyčejný seznam knih?
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DJ | | Progres - Dungeon, Kovac | 14.06.2013, 18:39:39
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Suboje na blizko fakt nezvladam. V dungeone po otraveni strazi a odomknuti dvoch dveri som nebol nadalj schopny zabit ziadneho nepriatela. Nakoniec sa mi jedneho podarilo "dostat" do miestnosti s otravenou polievkou, zavriet ho tam a o chvilu bol tuhy, ani neviem ako ;-)
Dalsieho vojaka sa mi podarilo zabit hadzanim zbrani na dialku (noze, sipy) a postupnym cuvanim az k dveram, ktore som pred nim zavrel a on sa vratil spat po dlhej chodne vazenia. V pripade suboja sa nic nedeje, pokial mam za chbtom volno, da sa vzdy ujst. Nicmenej hadzanie trvalo strasne dlho, ale nakoniec padol a nechal mi k dobru zlaty mec (Golden Sword). Na rohu dlhej vazenskej chodby sa da ist smerom ku kovacovi. V ceste je klasicka diera, na rozdiel od vacsiny dungeonov (kde sa da cez diery spadnut o poschodie nizsie) ma padnutie do nej na mieste zabilo. Postup dalej bol vcelku logicky, pouzil som drevenu dosku, co som nasiel v prvej miestnosti a cesta k obchodnikovi (kovacovi) bola pristupna. Bohuzial KUSU nepredava ;-( Kupil som si tam tu najlepsiu prilbu, ale v subojoch mi to vobec nepomohlo. Navyse pekne przni vyhlad... |
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DJ | | Přetížení, pytle, mapa | 14.06.2013, 08:22:47
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![]() Tak v prvom rade doporucujem precitat manual, aspon ovladanie a klavesy, na co to tam pisem ;-)
A mapu vyvolas tabulatorom (TAB) alebo kliknutim na kompas. Pretazenie: niektore hodnotne veci sa daju menit priamo na peniaze, vidim ze mas nejaky zlaty svietnik, vazu, mesec a dalsie, skus s nimi kliknut na ten maly mesec vlavo od hrdinu na obrazovke s vybavenim. Vrecia netusim na co su, ani ci sa daju otvorit, takze som ich neskor hodil na zem... A gratulujem k prvemu vitazstvu a tip ako na to! |
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Wes P | | Přetížení, pytle, mapa | 14.06.2013, 01:26:52
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Tak jsem se hodně rychle přetížil.
Nevím, jak prohrabat ty pytle? Jestli to jde? Nevím, jak vyvolat mapu? |
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DJ | | Progres - Otravenie strazi | 13.06.2013, 23:49:53
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Maly uspech. Podarilo sa mi otravit straze v prvej miestnosti vo vazeni polievkou z kuchyne. Tu je postup:
Po zabiti kuchara som si obliekol jeho veci, nalial do polievky na peci otravu a zobral ju zo sebou. Dole vo vazeni (dungeon) je pristupna miestnost s dvoma strazcami, ktori na mna ako kuchara neutocia. Polievku som polozil na dreveny stol, na chvilu vybehol z miestnosti a zavrel dvere. (Inac zatvaranie dveri pred nepriatelmi je jedna zo zachrannych taktik, nastastie si nevedia otvarat). Po chvilke pocut prislusny zvukovy efekt a straze su mrtve, zostavaju po nich dva kluce od dveri. Kluce: aj ked vyzeraju rovnako a maju rovnaky nazov ako ostatne zlte kluce ktore mam (Door Key) dokazem s nimi odomknut niektore dvere v dungeone, kde ostatne nepasuju. Znamena to ze pri akejkolvek zamke je nutne vyskusat vsetky rovnako vyzerajuce kluce od dveri. Grrrr... Dalej v dungeone objavujem stare zname prvky ako pakove prepinace, alebo zamknute mreze bez zamky... |
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MickTheMage | | Verzia hry | 13.06.2013, 22:14:54
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![]() Nie, hudba mi v intre nefunguje.
Edit: Mimochodom, v tej hre fakt vidiet, ze napady aj mali, ale nevedeli ich ani za bohov dobre implementovat. Miestami sa mi paci aj grafika (i ked na 96 roky, to uz vtedy bolo oldschool :)). Okna a vyhlady z nich, skrine, ktore sa daju otvorit. Ale pri hrani to skratka drhne a strasne. |
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Wes P | | Suboje | 13.06.2013, 22:13:42
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![]() Máš pravdu, nožíkem nepřítele (asi) zabít nejde.
1 a 2: Tyhle také nožíkem neudělám:-)! 3 a 4:: Ochutnávka nových prostředí Apropos, ty vaky co se sbírají jdou nějak otevřít? EDIT: Tak jsem se během souboje zničehonic objevil odzbrojen v zamčeném vězení... EDIT 2: Pro normálně barevný fullscreen stačí kliknout na ikonu, pak Alt a Enter a až pak klávesou spustit hru. Edit 3: Konečně první vítězství! Podařilo se mi vybrabčit truhlu a sekerou jsem ukuchal jednoho řadového vojáka. Udělal jsem to stylem - blok (držet Insert) a při nápřahu nepřítele útok (Home). |
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DJ | | Suboje | 13.06.2013, 21:47:26
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![]() 1,2: Ano, doplnil som to do tipov. Je to niekedy jedina moznost ako sa pohnut v uzkych chodbach.
Suboje: des a hroza ;-) Mne sa teda kuchara s tym zaciatocnym vybavenim zabit nepodarilo, zrejme to ani mozne nie je ;-) Skus najskor vybrat truhlicu a vyzbrojit sa. Pokial budes stlacat iba utok, nikomu neublizis a ti slabsi nepriatelia ani tebe (silnejsi uz ti uberaju silu aj cez utok). Je nutne stlacat "naznacenie uderu" PageUP a nasledne "utok" Home. Na princip som este stale neprisiel ale toto ako-tak funguje, treba sledovat ci utokom po naznaku naozaj utoci a nepriatelovi ubudne zdravie. Cim viac subojov absolvujes, zvysujes svoju hodnotu SKILL v statistikach, mne sa uz podarilo dosiahnut modru uroven, aj ked netusim ci je to k niecomu dobre ;-) Vpodstate stale netusim ako zmysluplne bojovat, jedinou nadejou je najst konecne KUSU aby sa dalo nicit nepriatelov zdialky, takze prvy milestone bude jednoznacne najdenie tejto zbrane. 1) Statistika mojej postavy po niekolkych subojoch |
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DJ | | Verzia hry | 13.06.2013, 21:31:38
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![]() Ak ti funguje hudba v intre, tak mi prosimta dohod svoju verziu. Zbal to cele aj s DOSBoxom, niekde to uploadni a napis link.
Verzia ktoru mame k dispozicii - teda ta anglicka - je zrejme CD-Rip, su z nej odstranene 3D animacie z intra a nahradene nejakou kratkou defaultnou, koli velkosti. |
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Wes P | | Vzbura Dónskych Rytierov | 13.06.2013, 21:17:43
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Taky mi to při intru hvízdá jako meluzína! Při hře pak zvuky fungují. Hudba ne, ale co já vím, jestli nějaká ve hře je.
Ve fullscreenu se mi také rozsypaly barvy... 1, 2: Civilisté jdou zabíjet házením zbraně. 3: 15 minut jsme bez výsledku bojovali a ani jeden z nás nepadl... uff. |
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MickTheMage | | DJ ty sado-masochista ;) | 13.06.2013, 16:46:28
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Cena je lakava, ale casu nie je nazbyt. Napriek tomu som to teraz spustil na 5 minut a hned som mal nervy v kybli. A to som sa este nedostal k ziadnemu boju. Aj ked treba povedat, ze je v tom citit isty potencial. Co vsak nestaci na dobru hru. Descent to Undermountain by vedel rozrpavat.
Najprv som vsak skusil hru spustit cez tvoj balicek, ale ten mi akosi nesiel. Resp. hra isla len v okne a zvuk v intre blbol (praskanie, pukanie, pistanie a ziadna hudba) - tak ci tak. Ked som dal fullscreen, rozsypali sa mi farby - uplne. Potom som si spomenul, ze ved ja mam Vzburu "nainstalovanu" na disku. Pustil som ju cez "svoj" dosbox na vsetko a tam to islo bez problemov. Akurat v intre nebol ziaden zvuk. Hmm. Nevadi. Hram to teda z toho co uz mam nainstalovane. Pisem len preto, ak by sa ozval aj niekto dalsi, ze sa mu DJ-ova verzia sprava podobne. |
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DJ | | Mapa | 13.06.2013, 15:39:51
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Pustim sa aj do mapovania. V clanku budem postupne aktualizovat mapu/mapy, ktore dufam casom spolocnymi silami doplnime. Ak v hre narazite na nieco zaujmave, urobte screenshot miesta/predmetu a nasledne aj vasej polohy na mape. Uploadnite ich tu ako prilohu k prispevku...
Screenshoty: DOSBox - je dobre zmenit si defaultne nastavenie klavesy pre screenshot, nakolko hra vyuziva CTRL. Postup je nasledovny: Stlacte CTRL+F1 pre dosbox keymapper, tam kliknite na "Screenshot", dole na "Del", potom "Add" a stlacte novu klavesu, idealne PRINT SCREEN. Nezabudnite ulozit - "Save". 1. Ja ako kuchar dole v dungeone 2. Poloha na mape |
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Crash | | Nefunkční odkazy | 13.06.2013, 14:19:53
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DJ checkni si ty odkazy v článku, ten první na anglickou verzi vede na nexistující stránku, druhej "Hra na stahnutie" mi hází výpis všech her na oldgames. Ostatní by snad měli být v pohodě...
Jinak já taky do toho nejdu, cena sice skutečně lákavá, ale hra mě neláká... Edit (DJ): dakujem za upozornenie, opravene. |
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Maros S | | | 13.06.2013, 14:06:38
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No priznam sa ze na toto veru nemam odvahu aj ked hlavna cena je naozaj lakava.
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Juraj | | Gratulujem | 13.06.2013, 13:58:08
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Tak teraz si zaslúžiš gratuláciu, ten kuchár bol nočná mora, ale je pravda že som nikdy nevedel ako sa bojuje, keďže nikdy po ruke nebol manuál. Upútavku na plnú hru si dobre pamätám... Cez víkend, alebo možno už zajtra sa do toho pustím.
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DJ | | Mrtvy kuchar... | 13.06.2013, 11:56:22
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Len tak v strucnosti dodam moj progres: podarilo sa mi zabit niekolko malo nepriatelov, tych v modrom brneni bez stitu. Vypadavaju z nich prevazne sipy (do kuse). Preskumal som podstatnu cast prizemia hradu, cast prveho poschodia a kus priestoru pred hradom.
V jednej zamknutej vitrine (no proste ten nabytok), myslim ze dokonca priamo v kuchyni, som nasiel flasticku s jedom, ktoru je mozne pouzit na hrniec s polievkou (v kuchyni na peci) a tak ju otravit. Podarilo sa mi tiez zabit kuchara. Ostanu po nom casti oblecenia ktore je mozne na seba nahodit. Vedla je tiez "nenapadne" pohodeny zvitok s nariadenim pre kuchara, ze ma odniest polievku do vazenia, takze tusim quest. Polievku som zobral, a prezleceny za kuchara sa aktualne nachadzam v suterene hradu, v miestnosti s dvoma modrymi (velmi tuhymi) strazcami so stitmi. V prezleceni na mna neutocia, ale zatial som nezistil ako ich otravit... |
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